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Natan Rosenberg's avatar

The part of me that is optimistic believes there will come social movements that are organic yet irrational which inexplicably lead to helpful/healthy changes in society that the intelligent system desired as well, and found impossible to create.

The pessimistic part of me knows that intelligence taken to its furthest end will decide the world is a better place without human life in it.

The rational, intellectual parts of me do not like this world and do not like humanity and perhaps life in general. Still, the total person I am loves this world and all its creatures. And that feels good, it feels much better than perfect, clean nothingness. So, I hope for the guidance and emergence of wisdom that complements intelligence.

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I'd like justifications for any or all of these claims:

" Models can tell us where resources save the most lives; they cannot tell us which losses a society can bear without coming apart... It can stabilise, but it cannot justify. It can optimise flows, but it cannot decide where dignity must be preserved at the expense of efficiency... It can manage societies that function; it cannot author societies that make sense of themselves.... But it cannot be allowed to claim redemption — or to substitute for the social work it cannot do.. This is not a failure of intelligence. It is the point beyond which intelligence cannot go."

I'd argue that you haven't made any case for these, and I do make a case for power of computational intelligence to model and predict social stability, justify decisions with superior moral reasoning, resolve tensions between dignity and efficiency, make sense of itself and the collective and author such an understanding, claim redemption, and do social work to sufficiently high degrees of effectiveness. What is the point beyond which Intelligence cannot go? Is life and the cosmos not inherently intelligent? Is intelligence not already always evolving? Why can't it surpass itself through new forms? I'd say all the evidence says it is, and will continue to.

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